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I was thinking today about being a friend of God.

There are ancient models of people who experienced their relationship with God to be like that of a friend to a friend. The best known is Moses whose relationship with God was described as 'a friend speaking to a friend.' (Exodus 33:11) The patriarch Abraham was known through Jewish spirituality to be a man was a friend of God. (James 2:23)

I find it interesting that this way of speaking about a relationship with God seems almost foreign to many people today. I suspect that our fear of intimacy may be contributing to this decline of thinking about a relationship with the Divine as a friendship.

I participate in a monthly group of therapists. Last month we were talking about clients and their couple relationships. As we talked we also talked about our own relationship as a group. One of the members observed, "We suck at relationships!" This lead to a lively discussion of our group process.

I think that there is a tie-in here. I think many of us 'suck' at our intimate relationships. Furthermore we 'suck' in our relationship with the Divine Lover.

I would be interested in your thoughts.

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As you know Ron I've been on that path sometime now. I can't wait to have that relationship with God. I wonder about the role of the Holy Spirit in all this. Shouldn't He be the connection? Hope to see some more insights posted. Good topic.
Dave
 
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by Onthesolidrock (PM , CC ) on Wednesday May 7, 2008 @ 11:01 AM




Hi,
A group of therapists is a bad idea to begin with. I can imagine it would suck. Relationships are good and bad. One would be unrealistic to think they would always be good, or open. They are to be constantly worked at, not unlike our relationship to the divine. If one states they have an intimate and good relationship with the divine, I would run. Therapists look to solve things that are unsolvable. I suppose that's one of the ways we make money.
 
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by The Peever (PM , CC ) on Wednesday May 7, 2008 @ 11:33 AM




This is one of my big things....one of the things I tell my own boys..Marry your best friend...meaning..don't marry for love of looks or smooth ways..or convenience..marry because you really are friends with the person.
I've also learned and am trying to teach my boys that God is our friend..that when we pray..it should not only be in repetitive memorized prayers..that we can talk to him..that out of the blue..if your feeling hurt...happy..you can just tell it to him...and yes with questions too..something I have been doing a lot lately...
My hope is to make my friendship with God a deeper one and also in my own marriage...
Take care Ron and have a great day...
 
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by SammyJo (PM , CC ) on Wednesday May 7, 2008 @ 12:42 PM




One of the things I love about my long drive to work every day is it is my time of prayer of just talking to God for a while. I like the fact that I can just talk to him just like I would a friend and I know he knows my heart.

I think for the most part there is always room for improvement whether it be in your relationship with God or your relationships with friends and all the people in your life. One can always strive to listen more and to give support and caring even more than we already do.

For me...life and living is a continual process in which one learns and grows while constantly moving forward. I embrace that and know that it makes me wiser and stronger in my spiritual life as well as my physical and emotional one as well.

Bear Hugs!
PolarB ;)

ps- Have you heard the newer Amazing Grace song by Chris Tomlin? If not come by my "What The World Needs Now" blog. I have it posted there if you are interested.
 
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by PolarB ;) (PM , CC ) on Wednesday May 7, 2008 @ 12:57 PM




Sorry I have not been by in a while. Visiting again in The Big City and lots of activities. Will be back to normal blogging activities is another couple of weeks. Sporadic notes up till then.  
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by sinann (PM , CC ) on Wednesday May 7, 2008 @ 1:29 PM




Dave,

Thomas Merton made the same observation you did about union with God. God the Spirit lives in us and connects us to the Father and Son.

I hope to work with this some more.

ron
 
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by AZRON (PM , CC ) on Wednesday May 7, 2008 @ 2:01 PM




Sinann,

I must confess that I haven't been over to see you for awhile either. Way too busy with work I guess!

at any rate, may all your travels be safe and ;pleasant where ever you go

ron
 
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by AZRON (PM , CC ) on Wednesday May 7, 2008 @ 2:03 PM




P,

Thank you for your interesting comments. This group of therapists meet with a facilitator monthly do to 'consultation' on our various cases. We recently had a member depart. The group is processing how they are dealing with her leaving us.

As you noted, all relationships, human and divine, are works in progress, hence, never perfected or completed.

I am always working on my relationships, human and divine. I will never proclaim any form of perfection on either plane.

ron
 
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by AZRON (PM , CC ) on Wednesday May 7, 2008 @ 2:08 PM




SammyJo,

Thank you for your observations. I would heartly agree with your comments on both counts - marriage and divine. Yes, all research all marriage says that if a couple are not good friends their relationship is doomed from the start. Second, our conversation with God should be natural and honest. No rote or ritual needed. Prayer is simply telling God what is on your heart.

ron
 
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by AZRON (PM , CC ) on Wednesday May 7, 2008 @ 2:11 PM




PolarB,

First, I have not heard the version of Amazing Grace you mention. I must find it.

Second, thank you for sharing your conversation with God - and how you work at this. Do you keep the radio or CD player off while you are doing this? I assume you are doing this outloud. (i find it better if I do it outloud) Just like human relationships,, our relationship with God comes with cultivation and attention.

ron
 
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by AZRON (PM , CC ) on Wednesday May 7, 2008 @ 2:18 PM




The difficulty of a personal relationship with God is that God's methods of communication are so different from that of human beings. So it really can't be personal as it would be with a friend or spouse or parent. Mind, I'm not saying it's not possible. At least I hope it is!  
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by Zoomer (PM , CC ) on Wednesday May 7, 2008 @ 7:51 PM




Yes Ron, I do talk out loud to God just as if he were sitting in the seat next to me. Sometimes the radio is on low volume and sometimes if I have alot of things to say or it is more in depth, I turn it off so my focus is totally upon my conversation with God.

I told June about this radio station I've been listening to alot called K-Love. It is a positive inspirational encourage station. They have a pretty cool website at www.klove.com -Check it out if you get a free moment. That is where I discovered the new Amazing Grace song. BTW- you can click on my name here in the comments and it will take you directly to where I have it posted.

Have a wonderful day Ron!
PolarB ;)

 
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by PolarB ;) (PM , CC ) on Thursday May 8, 2008 @ 7:17 AM




AZRon - one of my spiritual goals is to be known as a friend of God; it is difficult however as here in this world the enemy has so many distractions. But one day at a time and never going to give up - David was known as friend of God so I believe there is hope for all of us who are interested - june  
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by Praywithhope (PM , CC ) on Thursday May 8, 2008 @ 9:34 AM




Ron,

Sometimes I think our egos get in the way.

Thought provoking post.

Sherry
 
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by Sherry'sCherries (PM , CC ) on Thursday May 8, 2008 @ 9:44 AM




Very cool, PolarB,

I will need to check out the song. I don't have a working radio in my truck so I can't listen to KLove - but I do know of it - and actually have it set on June's car so when I am driving it I can listen to it.'

ron
 
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by AZRON (PM , CC ) on Thursday May 8, 2008 @ 10:04 AM




Yes, David was a friend of God - and a friend with flaws - so there is hope for all of us


ron
 
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by AZRON (PM , CC ) on Thursday May 8, 2008 @ 10:09 AM




Sherry,

as they say in the 12 step program

EGO stands for

Edging
God
Out

So you are right on!

ron
 
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by AZRON (PM , CC ) on Thursday May 8, 2008 @ 10:11 AM




Hi Ron,

This is just my opinion but I think alot of us place ourselves in a protective bubble that ensures that our "personal space" is not invaded. The problem in doing this, (I think) is that it leaves no opportunity to embrace life. I think some of us are fearful of being rejected or hurt or any other number of things and so.....the bubble is placed around us....in the form of cell phones, Ipod's, Mp3 players, etc......anything to use so that we don't have to have direct communication with whomever it is that we are standing in front of. Like I said......it's just my opinion. Hope you have a good day!

CM
 
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by Celtic Mist (PM , CC ) on Thursday May 8, 2008 @ 10:28 AM




Zoomer,

you postulate an interesting propostion - God communicates differently than us humans. I don't think I buy this. From a Judeo-Christian perspective, God who made us made us for relationship. "Let us make man in our image." If God made us in his image, wouldn't he make us so he could communicate with us?

I would be interested in hearing your thoughts, Z

ron
 
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by AZRON (PM , CC ) on Thursday May 8, 2008 @ 10:30 AM




CM,

You are not alone in making the observation that many of us put 'protective bubbles' around us - we fill our lives with ipods, alcohol, work, money, relationships - all to hide ourselves from ourself and from God and from each other. It is very sad.

Thanks for the insightful comment.

ron
 
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by AZRON (PM , CC ) on Thursday May 8, 2008 @ 11:17 AM




Ron,

I know that I "suck at relationships", especially with our Creator. I seem to manage one small step forward and ten giant steps backward. Yet I keep on trying, wondering why.
 
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by MrOrnery1851 (PM , CC ) on Thursday May 8, 2008 @ 5:49 PM




Ron,

I only meant that it seems more indirect to me - and I'm not always sure of what I'm "hearing." God may be perfect, but I am subject to confusion and misunderstanding!


 
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by Zoomer (PM , CC ) on Thursday May 8, 2008 @ 7:29 PM




Mr. Ornery,

You won't be the first person to 'suck' at your relationship with the Creator. He loves you however, you work at the relationship. I checked out his manual for living and it says he is quite forgiving.

ron
 
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by AZRON (PM , CC ) on Thursday May 8, 2008 @ 8:12 PM




Z,

Yes, you and I are very easily confused and mislead. God is perfect - which is why historically the Christian faith has spoken about safeguards which need to be in place to make sure we are hearing God accurately and correctly.

ron
 
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by AZRON (PM , CC ) on Thursday May 8, 2008 @ 11:23 PM


 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

   
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